Comments on: In Answer to “Hyperdispensationalism and the Authority of Christ” http://www.midactstruths.com/2009/04/02/in-answer-to-hyperdispensationalism-and-the-authority-of-christ/ Rightly dividing God's Word from a mid-Acts perspective Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:01:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Ross Stockwell http://www.midactstruths.com/2009/04/02/in-answer-to-hyperdispensationalism-and-the-authority-of-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Ross Stockwell Sat, 08 May 2010 12:14:03 +0000 http://www.midactstruths.com/?p=48#comment-98 Hi there folks The following rebuttle of the position of mid acts and post acts (cts 28) dispensationalism was sent to Dewaay as he was The same tied old claims that Calvin made 500 years ago that the administration of grace was merely Paul’s ministry… The same has been sent in more detail to Dr Walker who has the same position as Dewaay to date neither has responded… They can not as the Greek texts are clear and unless they destroy the syntax they have no answer… Most Baptist theologians are poor exponents of the Greek texts. The argument that rages against the revelation of the secret, commonly referred to as Hyper-Dispensationalism, are nothing more that unbelief concealed in red herring… a justifiable reason in human terms for Dewaay and Walker to deny scripture and the words the Holy Ghost speaks… Both have been warned not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit who is the principal divine administrator of this wonderful administration under His rule… The following is part of what has been sent to them… The Verb Participle in Koine Greek The verb participial “dotheises” used in the text “ ye surely have heard of the administration of the grace of [the] God the one given (dothesis) to me unto you” Eph 3:2… This verb participle is aorist tense however; the verb participle has an unusual property in that its tense is anterior to the action of the verb i.e. it comes before the verbs action… It comes in front f the verbs action and is dependent first upon the action of the verb then it is aorist tense to the verb actins… The standard Greek verb’s tense is posterior to the verbs action e.g. ye have heard (ekousate) this verb is also aorist tense and indefinite i.e. ye have heard (ekousate = verb of the indicative mood, active voice, second person plural) … The verb participle, “dotheises” = given to me is aorist tense, passive voice, genitive case, singular feminine)and the unusual aspect of tense, anterior to the verb action makes it impossible for the tense to be realized until the event occurs… the thing is first given (dotheises) and once given it is then aorist aspect but to be aorist is must first be given… Secondly. The verb participle “dotheises” i.e. “given to me” is followed the personal pronoun “moi” and this is of the dative case and here it is the dative of instrument because the verb particle “dotheises” is in aorist tense passive voice… This tense sets up the dative of instument that follows... Paul is the one being acted upon i.e. the instrument… This is consistent with Paul’s use of tense in the passage “Which in other ages was not before revealed unto the sons as it is now “revealed” to his holy apostles (dative case of instument) and prophets (dative case of instrument)… Once again the dative case for the "Apostles and Prophets" is the dative of instrument due to the use of the verb “revelation = aperkaluphthe”, is a verb of aorist tenses and passive voice setting up the dative of instrument for the Apostles and Prophets. The phrase AS NOW REVEALED = “os nun aperkaluphthe”, These two adverbs = as is now i.e. at this time pertinent to when it is given and the tense of verb participle dothesis… This does not mean that this information contained in this Epistle was given in the past tense 33 years earlier at Pentecost and Paul is not speaking about it being given in Rom 16:25 as Dr Ironside suggests… Dewaay and Walker suggest knowing nothing of Greek syntax For many years I wondered why these two verbs seem to be contradictive to each other but appealing to the text and it syntax the reasons are clear… In simple terms the administration and it message was unique to Paul as he clearly states by the use of the verbs and their tense however , if we constantly confuse the “well message” or “glad tidings” i.e. Gospel with “home Law”, “dispensation” or “administration” we are bound to be a child of light walking in the darkness… or lost to the tae of death in the flesh. It is claimed by you (Dewaay and Walker)that the “gospel of the grace of God” means the same as the “dispensation of the grace of” The Act 20:24 passage “to testify the glad tidings (gospel) of the grace of [the] God” is interesting… Glad tidings is “euaggelion” it is a noun of the accusative case, singular and feminine… being such case it qualifies its verb by default and here it is “diamarturasthai” meaning to certify… this verbs action i.e. to certify… points to its direct object the accusative noun “glad tidings” i.e. euaggelion or “gospel”… The following genitive string must by default point to the noun “euaggelion” setting up the qualification of this noun… the genitive case brings this noun by default into sphere of “glad tidings” not into the sphere of “home law” or an “administration” as this is not the meaning of the noun being qualified… The Genitive case in Koine is not as the “casus genitivus” as in Latin and is not the “subjective / objective of possession as in English… The translators being educated both in English and Latin were prone to push Koine Greek through Latin grammatical rules… In Koine Greek the genitive case was called by the Greeks themselves “e genike ptosis “i.e. the case of genus… It is the case of kinds and deals with the genitive case that forms the sphere of limits of the noun qualified… The genitive encircles the noun of its object placing it with in the limits of or the sphere of i.e. the grace is genitive case placing and the Gospel (Glad Tidings) in its field of kind. It is the Gospel and the grace is in association with the gospel not the administration as in Ephesians 3:2… The Gospel is in the field of grace however the aspect of the genitive case is discovered from the noun “euaggelion” i.e. “glad tidings… The “glad tidings” is qualified as the direct object by the verb “diamarturasthai” meaning to certify. And here the glad tidings is that of the administration of resurrection the good news that life came by Jesus Christ in resurrection from the dead. This glad tiding is a message or "well message" or "good news" with content certified by Paul and in this instance the grace is in association and limited by the glad tidings… Paul was a “though witness (“diamarturasthai”) to the contents of the message. The glad tidings are in the sphere grace but the grace is further limited by the content of the message as it related to the Administration of resurrection and Pentecost.The genitive case presents grace in sphere of the gladtidings and points to the aspect of it contents... good news has content. Paul does not preach that the “glad tidings” was “not before revealed” however, he does say that the “home law” and it sphere qualified by the genitive string was kept back and not before revealed (ou = not and the negative of absolute fact) … and it was not before revealed as it had not been given “dotheises” The action of the verb participle and the aorist tense comes to effect after it had been given as he clearly stated by inspiration of the Holy Spirit… The phrases “Gospel of the Kingdom” means the glad tidings in the sphere of the kingdom due to it genitive case qualifying the noun… The Gospel of Christ i.e. The Gospel of the Anointed” is the glad tiding in the sphere of the anointed through resurrection the first born of the dead… The gospel of God is the glad tidings in with in the sphere of Elohim in this case the sphere is the genitive of origin… The Gospel of Grace is likewise in the sphere of grace i.e. favor or benevolence and in this case it is in the sphere of the … The Gospel of salvation is the glad tiding in the sphere of salvation from death…The gospel of peace is the glad tidings in the sphere e of peace… Each of these genitive case qualifiers of the noun fall into the sphere of their nouns. But they all have an aspect that narrows the sphere of influence… “The Administration of the grace” here the sphere is grace but its noun is “home law” and grace is the governing principal of the sphere of this administration… “The Gospel of the grace of God” and here the sphere is also grace but, here the grace is in the sphere of the “glad tidings” and the glad tidings are the certified witness of it… Glad tidings has its root in teaching i.e. a good message… the message and this witness has contents but not home law as it not an administration. The noun qualified by the genitive case limits the Genitive to the sphere of the noun and when it is spoken of it refers specifically to the noun qualified if “kingdom” the sphere of the kingdom… if Christ i.e. the sphere of Christ i.e. the sphere of resurrection and so on… Holy Scripture makes the gospel and the sphere of its genitive specific so it is not just “the universal gospel”… The Gospel afore preached unto Abraham is the glad tidings within that sphere of promise that Abraham will inherit land and seed in the resurrection… The scripture foreseeing that Jehovah Elohim would justify the heathen through faith is in the sphere of the blessing of Abraham and the promise inheritance of land and seed sealed by two covenants, one land one seed… Isaac was a central figure “in Isaac shall they seed be called” so Abraham was asked to offer Isaac the test was not a figure of the atonement it was a figure of resurrection “and Abraham received him back (from the dead) as a like figure (a figure of his own resurrection). Holy Scripture fore aw that this glad tiding of everlasting life and inheritance involved the heathen as well as the Israeli… But what is not revealed is the dispersion and the rejection f the Messiah by Israel and it is fully known the nations will be blessed by Israel’s faithfulness and the nations under this sphere are blessed… But this sphere fails as it was predestined to be so but the administration of the nations during the exile of Israel was not revealed… The glad tidings of inheritance were clear but its administration was kept back until Israel is finally rejected… The gospel and it various spheres relate very much to what will be inherited in the resurrection and who are the various instruments with in the spheres of it i.e. Christ, God and so on… The administrations of which there are eight are thus revealed in scripture… 1. Creation. 2. Death. 3. Pedagogue (Law, Prophets and Messiah in the flesh). 4. Resurrection. 5. Grace. 6. Tribulation. 7. Messiah Kingdom (Millennium) 8. Eternity. In conclusion concerning the above We hope this helps as the enemies of Christ must be taken to what is revealed in the Greek Scriptures as the scripture in this form cannot be broken... translations on the other hand are easily perverted and contorted to conform to man's traditions Warm Regards Ross S Hi there folks
The following rebuttle of the position of mid acts and post acts (cts 28) dispensationalism was sent to Dewaay as he was The same tied old claims that Calvin made 500 years ago that the administration of grace was merely Paul’s ministry… The same has been sent in more detail to Dr Walker who has the same position as Dewaay to date neither has responded… They can not as the Greek texts are clear and unless they destroy the syntax they have no answer…

Most Baptist theologians are poor exponents of the Greek texts. The argument that rages against the revelation of the secret, commonly referred to as Hyper-Dispensationalism, are nothing more that unbelief concealed in red herring… a justifiable reason in human terms for Dewaay and Walker to deny scripture and the words the Holy Ghost speaks… Both have been warned not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit who is the principal divine administrator of this wonderful administration under His rule… The following is part of what has been sent to them…

The Verb Participle in Koine Greek
The verb participial “dotheises” used in the text “ ye surely have heard of the administration of the grace of [the] God the one given (dothesis) to me unto you” Eph 3:2…

This verb participle is aorist tense however; the verb participle has an unusual property in that its tense is anterior to the action of the verb i.e. it comes before the verbs action… It comes in front f the verbs action and is dependent first upon the action of the verb then it is aorist tense to the verb actins… The standard Greek verb’s tense is posterior to the verbs action e.g. ye have heard (ekousate) this verb is also aorist tense and indefinite i.e. ye have heard (ekousate = verb of the indicative mood, active voice, second person plural) …

The verb participle, “dotheises” = given to me is aorist tense, passive voice, genitive case, singular feminine)and the unusual aspect of tense, anterior to the verb action makes it impossible for the tense to be realized until the event occurs… the thing is first given (dotheises) and once given it is then aorist aspect but to be aorist is must first be given…

Secondly.
The verb participle “dotheises” i.e. “given to me” is followed the personal pronoun “moi” and this is of the dative case and here it is the dative of instrument because the verb particle “dotheises” is in aorist tense passive voice… This tense sets up the dative of instument that follows… Paul is the one being acted upon i.e. the instrument…

This is consistent with Paul’s use of tense in the passage “Which in other ages was not before revealed unto the sons as it is now “revealed” to his holy apostles (dative case of instument) and prophets (dative case of instrument)… Once again the dative case for the “Apostles and Prophets” is the dative of instrument due to the use of the verb “revelation = aperkaluphthe”, is a verb of aorist tenses and passive voice setting up the dative of instrument for the Apostles and Prophets.

The phrase AS NOW REVEALED = “os nun aperkaluphthe”, These two adverbs = as is now i.e. at this time pertinent to when it is given and the tense of verb participle dothesis…

This does not mean that this information contained in this Epistle was given in the past tense 33 years earlier at Pentecost and Paul is not speaking about it being given in Rom 16:25 as Dr Ironside suggests… Dewaay and Walker suggest knowing nothing of Greek syntax

For many years I wondered why these two verbs seem to be contradictive to each other but appealing to the text and it syntax the reasons are clear… In simple terms the administration and it message was unique to Paul as he clearly states by the use of the verbs and their tense however , if we constantly confuse the “well message” or “glad tidings” i.e. Gospel with “home Law”, “dispensation” or “administration” we are bound to be a child of light walking in the darkness… or lost to the tae of death in the flesh.

It is claimed by you (Dewaay and Walker)that the “gospel of the grace of God” means the same as the “dispensation of the grace of” The Act 20:24 passage “to testify the glad tidings (gospel) of the grace of [the] God” is interesting…

Glad tidings is “euaggelion” it is a noun of the accusative case, singular and feminine… being such case it qualifies its verb by default and here it is “diamarturasthai” meaning to certify… this verbs action i.e. to certify… points to its direct object the accusative noun “glad tidings” i.e. euaggelion or “gospel”…

The following genitive string must by default point to the noun “euaggelion” setting up the qualification of this noun… the genitive case brings this noun by default into sphere of “glad tidings” not into the sphere of “home law” or an “administration” as this is not the meaning of the noun being qualified…

The Genitive case in Koine is not as the “casus genitivus” as in Latin and is not the “subjective / objective of possession as in English… The translators being educated both in English and Latin were prone to push Koine Greek through Latin grammatical rules…

In Koine Greek the genitive case was called by the Greeks themselves “e genike ptosis “i.e. the case of genus… It is the case of kinds and deals with the genitive case that forms the sphere of limits of the noun qualified… The genitive encircles the noun of its object placing it with in the limits of or the sphere of i.e. the grace is genitive case placing and the Gospel (Glad Tidings) in its field of kind.

It is the Gospel and the grace is in association with the gospel not the administration as in Ephesians 3:2… The Gospel is in the field of grace however the aspect of the genitive case is discovered from the noun “euaggelion” i.e. “glad tidings… The “glad tidings” is qualified as the direct object by the verb “diamarturasthai” meaning to certify. And here the glad tidings is that of the administration of resurrection the good news that life came by Jesus Christ in resurrection from the dead.

This glad tiding is a message or “well message” or “good news” with content certified by Paul and in this instance the grace is in association and limited by the glad tidings… Paul was a “though witness (“diamarturasthai”) to the contents of the message. The glad tidings are in the sphere grace but the grace is further limited by the content of the message as it related to the Administration of resurrection and Pentecost.The genitive case presents grace in sphere of the gladtidings and points to the aspect of it contents… good news has content.

Paul does not preach that the “glad tidings” was “not before revealed” however, he does say that the “home law” and it sphere qualified by the genitive string was kept back and not before revealed (ou = not and the negative of absolute fact) … and it was not before revealed as it had not been given “dotheises”

The action of the verb participle and the aorist tense comes to effect after it had been given as he clearly stated by inspiration of the Holy Spirit… The phrases “Gospel of the Kingdom” means the glad tidings in the sphere of the kingdom due to it genitive case qualifying the noun… The Gospel of Christ i.e. The Gospel of the Anointed” is the glad tiding in the sphere of the anointed through resurrection the first born of the dead… The gospel of God is the glad tidings in with in the sphere of Elohim in this case the sphere is the genitive of origin…

The Gospel of Grace is likewise in the sphere of grace i.e. favor or benevolence and in this case it is in the sphere of the … The Gospel of salvation is the glad tiding in the sphere of salvation from death…The gospel of peace is the glad tidings in the sphere e of peace…

Each of these genitive case qualifiers of the noun fall into the sphere of their nouns. But they all have an aspect that narrows the sphere of influence…

“The Administration of the grace” here the sphere is grace but its noun is “home law” and grace is the governing principal of the sphere of this administration…

“The Gospel of the grace of God” and here the sphere is also grace but, here the grace is in the sphere of the “glad tidings” and the glad tidings are the certified witness of it… Glad tidings has its root in teaching i.e. a good message… the message and this witness has contents but not home law as it not an administration.

The noun qualified by the genitive case limits the Genitive to the sphere of the noun and when it is spoken of it refers specifically to the noun qualified if “kingdom” the sphere of the kingdom… if Christ i.e. the sphere of Christ i.e. the sphere of resurrection and so on… Holy Scripture makes the gospel and the sphere of its genitive specific so it is not just “the universal gospel”… The Gospel afore preached unto Abraham is the glad tidings within that sphere of promise that Abraham will inherit land and seed in the resurrection…

The scripture foreseeing that Jehovah Elohim would justify the heathen through faith is in the sphere of the blessing of Abraham and the promise inheritance of land and seed sealed by two covenants, one land one seed… Isaac was a central figure “in Isaac shall they seed be called” so Abraham was asked to offer Isaac the test was not a figure of the atonement it was a figure of resurrection “and Abraham received him back (from the dead) as a like figure (a figure of his own resurrection). Holy Scripture fore aw that this glad tiding of everlasting life and inheritance involved the heathen as well as the Israeli… But what is not revealed is the dispersion and the rejection f the Messiah by Israel and it is fully known the nations will be blessed by Israel’s faithfulness and the nations under this sphere are blessed… But this sphere fails as it was predestined to be so but the administration of the nations during the exile of Israel was not revealed… The glad tidings of inheritance were clear but its administration was kept back until Israel is finally rejected… The gospel and it various spheres relate very much to what will be inherited in the resurrection and who are the various instruments with in the spheres of it i.e. Christ, God and so on…
The administrations of which there are eight are thus revealed in scripture… 1. Creation. 2. Death.
3. Pedagogue (Law, Prophets and Messiah in the flesh). 4. Resurrection. 5. Grace. 6. Tribulation. 7. Messiah Kingdom (Millennium) 8. Eternity.

In conclusion concerning the above
We hope this helps as the enemies of Christ must be taken to what is revealed in the Greek Scriptures as the scripture in this form cannot be broken… translations on the other hand are easily perverted and contorted to conform to man’s traditions

Warm Regards
Ross S

]]> By: Jessica Miller http://www.midactstruths.com/2009/04/02/in-answer-to-hyperdispensationalism-and-the-authority-of-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-92 Jessica Miller Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:16:57 +0000 http://www.midactstruths.com/?p=48#comment-92 Hi There! That was an excellent response to Bob DeWaay's criticisms! Great Article! I can hardly read the text I'm typing into the comment field. Please let you webmaster know OK? I have a you tube Ministry, and there are so many people that do not understand right division. I thought maybe I should start with a clear explanation that we are not under the law. Would you mind giving me some advice as to what you would do? I know that most of these people do not understand salvation. With that said I thought I would stick to the basics, but the problem is they are so religious, and think they're saved, that it presents a dilemma. Thank you for considering my request. Maranatha! Jessica Here's our address on you tube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TwinCitiesGrace1 Hi There! That was an excellent response to Bob DeWaay’s criticisms! Great Article! I can hardly read the text I’m typing into the comment field. Please let you webmaster know OK? I have a you tube Ministry, and there are so many people that do not understand right division. I thought maybe I should start with a clear explanation that we are not under the law. Would you mind giving me some advice as to what you would do? I know that most of these people do not understand salvation. With that said I thought I would stick to the basics, but the problem is they are so religious, and think they’re saved, that it presents a dilemma.

Thank you for considering my request.

Maranatha!
Jessica

Here’s our address on you tube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TwinCitiesGrace1

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